The Worst Game of the Season for the Kansas City Chiefs
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I can confidently say that I don’t think we’ll see a worse performance by the Chiefs than yesterday’s loss to the Broncos at Mile High. Jay Cutler and Selvin Young both individually had more offensive yards than the Chiefs did as a team. Bronco receiver Brandon Marshall nearly topped the Chiefs’ 129 total yards with 115 yards receiving. Of the Chiefs’ twelve drives, eight were three and outs. This one is going to sting for a long time.
The Offense
132 passing yards. Nineteen yards lost on five sacks. Three turnovers. 1/13 on third downs. Sixteen rushing yards in seventeen attempts. Two drives that went beyond three plays.
Hands down, this was the worst game of the season for the Kansas City Chiefs’ offense.
Brodie Croyle was 15/29 passing for 132 yards. Kolby Smith rushed thirteen times for twelve yards and briefly left the game with an ankle injury but returned. Tony Gonzalez, also injuring his ankle but returning, caught seven passes for 76 yards and patiently scored the team’s only touchdown of the day on a fifteen yard run after the catch.
That touchdown capped off the only positive showing by the Chiefs’ offense. The drive began at the beginning of the second quarter and lasted 8:51 on fifteen plays. On that drive, the Chiefs converted three fourth downs, of two, one and twelve yards. Croyle was 5/8 on the drive and was sacked twice. In a game that was almost unbearable to watch, the Chiefs’ second quarter drive was downright impressive. Playing with desperation that we’ve rarely seen, the two short fourth down conversions were made by the Chiefs bullying their way across the first down line with power rushes.
After a Chris Terry false start that moved the ball back to the Bronco fifteen-yard line, Brodie Croyle swung a pass out to his left side to Tony Gonzalez. TG cut towards the sideline, cut back to the middle of the field while Bobby Sippio blocked a Denver defender and tight-toped the sideline all the way into the end zone.
After that drive, the Broncos gave the ball back to the Chiefs after scoring their third touchdown of the half. With the score 21 to 7, the Chiefs had the ball with 1:55 left in the half. Forty-four seconds later, the Broncos had the ball back in their hands after Dustin Colquitt’s fourth punt of the first half. After a huge Selvin Young run put the Broncos in Chiefs territory with less than a minute left, Denver was able to easily get in position for a Jason Elam field goal.
It was 24 to 7 and the game was pretty much already over. The Chiefs had some pretty good field position in the first half and were unable to do much beyond the one touchdown.
The Chiefs didn’t score again and only gained thirty-four net yards in the second half.
The Defense
Unfortunately, there isn’t a "But the defense held them in check" story here like we’ve typically had. The Broncos racked up 453 in total offense. Jay Cutler passed for four touchdowns and 244 yards. Selvin Young rushed for 143 yards. In the first half.
On the second play of the game, Selvin Young rushed to the left side for fifty yards. You could see the rest of the game laid out from there. We were doomed from the start and everyone knew it. I held out on the doom thoughts briefly after we scored that touchdown. But the Chiefs didn’t do much from there to garner applause.
The defense looked completely flat. There was something different about our defense on Sunday. The energy wasn’t there. The desire wasn’t there. It was almost as if, as many of you have already said in the comments, that the defense quit. We didn’t hear Jared Allen’s name called. We heard safety Bernard Pollard’s name called quite a bit, mostly because he was making tackles on Selvin Young and Brandon Marshall in the secondary after big Bronco gains.
There was failure in every single facet of the defense. From the defensive line to the secondary, the Broncos completely dominated.
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I’m trying to look for positives from yesterday’s blowout but I’m not finding any. Our normally stout defense was torched. Our normally feeble offense was, well, just that. Except worse than usual.
The Chiefs have been on this losing path for a long time. This game was the culmination of many of our problems and not just on offense. We’ve been overlooking our poor rushing defense for most of the year and Selvin Young and the Broncos exposed us for who we really are on the defensive line.
After being eliminated from the playoffs with this loss, next year is officially on the table for discussion. After going 4-3 to start the season, the Chiefs have lost six games in a row. The Tennesee Titans travel to Arrowhead this week and I’m already looking towards that game.
Yesterday was embarrassing.
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Herm's new catchphrase?
Well, last two games I'd say no, our defense soiled the sheets, and our only strength was that the laws of physics and the NFL rulebook dictate that the clock keep moving and the game finally ends.
How about we play to this strengggth: if you don't block someone you're fired?
/still angry.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 10, 2007 9:23 AM CST 0 recs
I was pleased with the no huddle offense...
"Look at that Svitektion out there! It's like the French army swinging pillows in bubble-wrap armor!"
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 10, 2007 9:27 AM CST 0 recs
How about
by Eric on Dec 10, 2007 9:27 AM CST 0 recs
They
by Eric on Dec 10, 2007 9:30 AM CST 0 recs
That's a panic move
Seriously though, there's a lot of heads that should roll before Herm's thought cough SOLARI cough
Get a new O-coordinator, get an O-line, give Croyle another year, then if we're still 4-12 demand his head on a pike.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 10, 2007 9:33 AM CST 0 recs
Worst game in how many years?
by Chris on Dec 10, 2007 9:38 AM CST 0 recs
What
by D Thomas on
Dec 10, 2007 9:48 AM CST
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I know they haven't shown much
by Chris on
Dec 10, 2007 9:52 AM CST
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I
What's the excuse now, somebody, anybody, hell Parade?
by D Thomas on Dec 10, 2007 9:40 AM CST 0 recs
Come on
by Chris on
Dec 10, 2007 9:44 AM CST
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the history of the NFL is littered
by sm7600 on
Dec 10, 2007 9:52 AM CST
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Like I said to D Thomas
That's insanity.
by Chris on
Dec 10, 2007 9:53 AM CST
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Let's just say
by sm7600 on
Dec 10, 2007 9:55 AM CST
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He
by D Thomas on
Dec 10, 2007 9:56 AM CST
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Where I agree with you
On another topic, if we get a a high enough draft pick, do you take a QB? Are you that unimpressed?
by Chris on
Dec 10, 2007 9:58 AM CST
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In all honesty
by sm7600 on
Dec 10, 2007 11:36 AM CST
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No QB could thrive in this offense
I think we are seeing now that it doesn't matter who is at the helm. The offense is rotten to the core.
Plays are being called by an Offensive Coordinator who should not be an OC. He isn't inventive with his playcalling and does not have that instinct for knowing the right time to strike and the right time to switch things up. I honestly think Solari looks at his call sheet and says "Well we've run it three times, so I guess we should throw a pass in there".
The offensive line is a shambles. The backups are even worse.
There is no true fullback on the team.
Eddie Kennison has never gotten back in the groove from being injured and Bowe and Webb are inexperienced and still making mistakes.
Remember in preseason when Huard got hurt and we all talked about how bad the offense looked when Croyle was running it?
We all know now that it wasn't so much that Croyle wasn't handling it. It was that the offense had completely decayed over the off season. It didn't get any better with Huard at the helm. Huard didn't win the job. He got it by default.
Croyle can develop into a great QB. Or he could not. But one thing is for certain. With the offense we have this season, NO ONE can honestly say from what we've seen that Croyle can't be a big time QB... or that he can.
Drafting another QB would be THE MOST STUPID THING that the Chief could do. Because it doesn't matter if Peyton Manning or Johnny Unitis in his prime take over the team tomorrow, this offense isn't scoring points.
by DJ on
Dec 10, 2007 6:24 PM CST
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Whether
He may turn this team around next year or the year after, but for the time being, I think Dick Vermeil and the rest of our recent coaches have earned a break.
by Ridiculous Matt on Dec 10, 2007 9:53 AM CST 0 recs
A little devil's advocate
We lost 44-10 in the 1994. We were good that year. Damn good. Certainly a contender. Why wasn't that loss MAWKed like this one was?
(Note: I'm just playing devil's advocate here. In no way am I accepting this loss)
by primetime 07 on
Dec 10, 2007 11:05 AM CST
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Because
B. We were 5-2 at the time. Not 4-8.
C. We had Joe Montana and Marcus Allen.
D. Because there are games like this. I'm not upset about the gap of the loss, honestly. What's bad to me is the level of horrendous play we saw yesterday. I'd need to look at the box-score, but I'm pretty sure we had more than 7 first downs in that game. It's not how much we lost by, it's how we lost. Same thing for the fact that it's not that we're rebuilding. It's the way we're rebuilding.
By the way, go to Pro Football Reference and just flip back through the records of the Schottenheimer teams. It's not just the records, it's the kind of wins they were. Convincing. I'm not pining for Marty, I know he was as conservative as they come, and I honestly believe that the man is just cursed to never win a playoff game. But when you talk about consistency, talent, discipline, and winning, man. The guy set the bar high.
For the record, Schottenheimer inherited a 4-11 team and in his first two years was 19-12.
by Ridiculous Matt on
Dec 10, 2007 11:23 AM CST
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Difference between Fed and State Pens
Fed Pens require 80%.
by HIV 2 Elway on
Dec 10, 2007 10:53 AM CST
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Glass Joe as in "Glass Jaw"
Perhaps you should revisit your Huard fanhood, if only he could - I don't know - finish an entire game.
The only difference between you and someone who wears a Champ Bailey jersey is geography.
I'll remind you that Bordie went toe to toe against Peyton Manning with a much more limited game plan, and Kolby threw down 150 yd.s rushing in his first NFL start.
"Great, just great, I can't wait to watch Ohio State lose the national championship AGAIN."
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 10, 2007 10:05 AM CST 0 recs
D Thomas
We all need to not just cling to "He's got such a great arm!" though. So does Kyle Boller. I want the kid to succeed, but I'm not willing to be patient to the point of frustration with him.
by Ridiculous Matt on
Dec 10, 2007 10:32 AM CST
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You're
At least Huard can produce wins, but how would you understand, you're a parade right?
by D Thomas on
Dec 10, 2007 12:34 PM CST
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Keep your perspective
That means that 6 of those losses are Huards.
The only win that actually looked like a win was against San Diego. The rest were all "pull it out of your butt" wins where the team played horribly but got it anyway.
At least with Croyle while you're losing you may be developing a great QB in the future.
What are you getting with Huard playing?
by DJ on
Dec 10, 2007 6:31 PM CST
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This is starting to look like...
Herm "The Destroyer of Teams" Edwards needs to retire and go full time into preaching.
by geekfather on Dec 10, 2007 10:10 AM CST 0 recs
The fact is...
Writing either off at this stage is moronic.
You want to naysay and fret, start talking about LJ. He's a 4th year veteran and our highest paid player who's basically sitting out this season.
Have LJ start with Brodie and trade off with Kolby and a decent O-line and then think about how you want to evaluate them.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 10, 2007 10:18 AM CST 0 recs
Trade LJ
by Eric on
Dec 10, 2007 10:27 AM CST
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No way you can say that either
Smith and Croyle have to get a pass this year because of a horrible, horrible offensive line.
by Chris on
Dec 10, 2007 10:30 AM CST
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How
by Eric on
Dec 10, 2007 10:33 AM CST
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But
by Ridiculous Matt on
Dec 10, 2007 10:34 AM CST
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That is
by Eric on
Dec 10, 2007 10:36 AM CST
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Oh yeah
by PVChiefsfan on
Dec 10, 2007 10:45 AM CST
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Talent does matter
We need a talent back.
by Ridiculous Matt on
Dec 10, 2007 10:57 AM CST
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I didn't say
by PVChiefsfan on
Dec 10, 2007 2:45 PM CST
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PV
And yeah, I definitely agree that some zone blocking would help. Currently, this whole "go straight forward, yes, even you, running back" scheme hasn't been too successful.
by Ridiculous Matt on
Dec 10, 2007 3:23 PM CST
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Too early to cash in LJ for Kolby
The entire Chiefs team INCLUDING Kolby had only 16 yards yesterday.
I LOVE Kolby, and personally I think LJ is an A-hole.
But ALL players on the offense are affected by the missing pieces. Croyle isn't playing as well as he would with protection. Hell, Huard would have played better with better protection, and you know how much I LOVE Huard (sarcasm).
I like Kolbys scat back ability. But seriously, he's only played 3 games and in one of them he was completely shut down. We simply haven't seen enough of him to know if he is going to be good long term or has just had a few good games.
LJ may be a total jerk, but you can't deny that for two years he was maybe the second best back in the NFL.
Its not just an excuse for Herm, but honestly, WHAT PLAYER COULD succeed with this offensive line and playcalling?
by DJ on
Dec 10, 2007 6:38 PM CST
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Quick question
You know who is going to be good long term?
Darren McFadden.
Just sayin'.
by Ridiculous Matt on
Dec 10, 2007 8:47 PM CST
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Line should come first
But he IS a good at running the ball. And you know, thats the most important thing for a running back to be able to do.
Don't you think if you want better protection for your QB it would be better to get some talent on the offensive line to block in the first place rather than getting another running back whose secondary job is blocking?
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Darren McFadden. Actually I love pretty much all of Arkansas backs.
But it goes back to drafting for our needs instead of drafting star power. We already have a star running back and another back that could potentially be a star in the future. So we don't really NEED another great running back.
However, we need to replace 3 out of 5 offensive linemen this year, and not just the starters. All the backups but Niswanger look like they need to be replaced as well.
Right now in my opinion we NEED linemen to block for the running backs we already have instead of getting another running back to get smashed behind the line of scrimage or a different QB to get sacked 8 times a game.
by DJ on
Dec 10, 2007 9:54 PM CST
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Couple of things
In the games and situations where Brodie's been given a chance by the O-line (and not facing a 28 point deficit), he's succeeded. In the games where we've been close and needed good coaching, we've come up short.
As far as personnel goes, I want to be fair to Brodie, but I also think this is the most talented offensive skill player draft in years. I think passing up a known talent for an offensive lineman (especially off of a team that fell apart like Michigan) might be a mistake. I also think the worst case scenario is we have a quarterback competition between two players with athletic talent, and whichever one doesn't work out, we trade or cut.
It's a moral imperative that we trade LJ so we can move up and get McFadden, if only to keep the Patriots from getting him. We owe it to the world.
After our discussion of how much money we're spending (read:blowing), couldn't we cut some fat and bring in some high draft picks and truly rebuild?
I don't want us to ignore the O-line. I'm not a masochist. I just think we'd be better served by signing a major O-lineman and using veteran talent along with some 2nd-4th round talent, as opposed to gambling with a stud in a loaded offensive and defensive draft class. We can have our pick of the best QB class in years, a high talent running back, a shut down corner (since no one will be drafting defense), or Glenn Dorsey.
by Ridiculous Matt on Dec 10, 2007 10:30 AM CST 0 recs
MAWK
by PVChiefsfan on
Dec 10, 2007 10:43 AM CST
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No way
I'm dead serious. Everyone needs to root for the Niners. If the Patriots get McFadden...
Dear God.
by Ridiculous Matt on
Dec 10, 2007 11:16 AM CST
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I see the Pats
by Chris on
Dec 10, 2007 11:43 AM CST
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I can't see that happening.
I swear to God, I can just see them faking an injury on him, holding him out until they play the Colts and then Bellichek saying "Now witness the power of this fully operational Darren McFadden."
by Ridiculous Matt on
Dec 10, 2007 11:55 AM CST
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Remember
by PVChiefsfan on
Dec 10, 2007 12:13 PM CST
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I see...
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on
Dec 10, 2007 12:13 PM CST
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LOL
by DJ on
Dec 10, 2007 7:14 PM CST
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This line of thinking got us where we are now
Look how well Matt Leinart is doing this year....... crickets
I find the idea of "well we can't pass up THIS QB because he's so good, the O-line can wait another year" to be falling victim to a players celebrity appeal built up in the media.
The idea that the only good QB has to be taken in the first round is preposterous. Brady was a 7th round pick, Romo was undrafted.
But they are smart players with good skills. Just like Croyle is. The thing Brady and Romo have that Croyle doe'nt is a good O-line.
You say we can just go get a free agent line, but look at McIntosh. He was the best out there last year. Trully good O-linemen are RARELY allowed to go free agent by their teams.
The Chiefs have historically had one of the best O-lines in the NFL. For the most part, they did this by drafting the players, not free agency. Willie Roaf is the exception, and that is a case of Vermeil filling a hole for the short run rather than wanting to take the time to develop a new player who would peak after he had left.
Szott, Alt, Grunhard, Tate, Shields, Waters... These guys were found by the Chiefs and drafted. Except for Tate who the Chiefs allowed to go in free agency, these players learned their position and stayed with the team for 10 or more years.
If you're REALLY building for the future and not just temporary wins, you draft the players and develop them.
by DJ on
Dec 10, 2007 6:51 PM CST
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Um.
ERRRRRR!
The Browns are a great example as the gentleman said yesterday. Draft a lineman AND add a free agent. But you can't honestly be advocating the thinking that a rookie lineman is more of a sureshot than a QB or RB? The busts are much more catostrophic with skill players, but the payoff is higher. And it takes serious work and development to develop a great lineman. Just drafting Long isn't going to make the counter work.
Look, DJ, I know you like developing players in house. But it's not as simple as "Let Herm draft them and watch them grow!"
We need to balance free agency and rookies.
So you absolutely do not think drafting the best player available in a skill player heavey draft is a good idea?
by Ridiculous Matt on
Dec 10, 2007 8:51 PM CST
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Draft the players you need, not the ones you want
The reason they've drafted heavily for defense the last two years is because that was the weakness of our team. If you remember last year, even with Huard at the helm throwing passes for the first time in 6 years, the offense was CONSIDERABLY better than it is this year.
That's whats so mind blowing about this year. How could they have disintegrated so quickly?
My main point in this post was that finding good free agent linemen is extremely difficult. Usually teams don't let a good lineman go unless they are getting older and the team has found a younger player to replace them.
I'm all for drafting impact players with high draft picks. But how do we know we don't ALREADY have that kind of player? Why waste a first round pick on a QB and then find out next year IF Croyle gets some protection that he is THE guy we've been waiting for since Len Dawson?
Look at the Browns. Perfect example. They practically gave away next years draft to get Brady Quinn. All of the sudden, they have the LT they drafted filling a major whole in their line and Derek Anderson, the guy they already had is having a terrific season. Brady Quinn is a first round pick sitting on the bench.
So why potentially throw a first round pick in the garbage on a QB if Croyle pans out next year and you have this 1st round pick sitting on the bench? Why draft another top running back when with some good blocking LJ could return to his old form next year?
The line is the weakness now, not those other two positions. The line is what needs addressed, not just for this next year, but for the forseeable future.
by DJ on
Dec 10, 2007 10:05 PM CST
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Dear Santa,
Love,
Every Chiefs Fan
by geekfather on Dec 10, 2007 10:49 AM CST 0 recs
Excuses are like...
I worked over my DirecTV Superfan package this weekend and couldn't find a team playing with less heart than ours.
Even the Jets, Dolphins, and 49'ers were working through the 4th quarter.
Ugh.
Herm's lost the team- they don't believe in him, his system, and his methods.
He's failed at his own credo-
"Know your role and do your job"
He is not a good head coach.
He is a good defensive coordinator.
He should go back to the role he's meant for.
MV
by mikvogel on Dec 10, 2007 11:26 AM CST 0 recs
DJ
But aren't you going to defend your man? Usually all I say is that he's coaching badly this season and made bad personnel decisions. These guys want him taken out on a rail!
Herm defenders! A call to arms! Two weeks ago there was no end to the Herm-love! What say you! Defend your man! Stand by him! Stroke his sweet head! Don't let these fans tear him up like this!
You play to win the game! I don't know what that means, but it's true!
by Ridiculous Matt on Dec 10, 2007 11:37 AM CST 0 recs
This one was rough and counts big time
Just head on over to some Dolphin sites. They're saying the same things about Cam Cameron.
by Chris on
Dec 10, 2007 11:40 AM CST
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Chris
by Eric on
Dec 10, 2007 11:50 AM CST
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I know I've been
by Chris on
Dec 10, 2007 12:13 PM CST
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You have to give me a chance to get home from work
You can't debate people that are ruled by the emotion of the moment and want to destroy the mansion that is being built because we run into a few bad bricks. Alot of people are just Whitlock the Hutt disciples regergetating his columns.
You, MAWK, are a little different. Even if you will not change your opinion and I think you get a little carried away sometimes, you will at least listen to reason (eventually).
I enjoy debating with anyone that is willing to discuss things honestly. But its kind of hard to jump into the fray with someone who's only comment is "HERM AND CARL MUST DIE!"
by DJ on
Dec 10, 2007 7:01 PM CST
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Heh
heeehhehehehh
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"mansion that is being built."
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Get this! Following what is arguable the worst loss in Chiefs history, we're building "a mansion."
You realize that if we're building a mansion, it's got an unsound foundation, rats in the walls, and the plumbing doesn't work, because there's shit raining all over us, right?
by Ridiculous Matt on
Dec 10, 2007 8:54 PM CST
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Mawk
by DJ on
Dec 10, 2007 10:06 PM CST
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Mawk
His numbers are weak, and he hasen't shown any leadership either. I'm not going to support him just because he has a strong arm, and I was trying to stay positive for the better of the team. Bottom line, chatter all you want but he's at the helm, and he MUST take the rap along with HERMIE. I guess his numbers speak in my favor, so you can make an injury-prone QB seem like the great white hope all you want. He hasen't done anything remotely great yet.
Besides, wins speak for themselves, and we haven't seen those thingies in a long time !
by D Thomas on Dec 10, 2007 12:14 PM CST 0 recs
Everyone ready for this?
And he does deserve blame for that. I agree. I have a much easier time forgiving the kid for not being ready when he wasn't the starter all season and behind that O-line than Herm in his second season.
Trust me, I'm just as worried as anyone that Croyle's nothing but a big arm in a sharp suit. My fear is that we're going to trust in him completely, skip out on the great offensive talent in this draft, and not realize until next year with a revamped O-line that he doesn't have what it takes.
Too many questions to answer and not enough time.
Also, just like a Buckeyes fan to say wins speak for themselves. Good luck against LSU. And by that, I mean, "Good luck trying to keep it within 30." You might want to reference yesterday for how you're going to feel after the championship team.
by Ridiculous Matt on
Dec 10, 2007 12:25 PM CST
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Really?
Maybe you're right and we need to draft a QB and have them compete it out in the spring, but regardless I don't think the offense is worse because of Brodie Croyle, I think the Chiefs' veterans decided this season was over after LJ went home and then losing to Oakland.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on
Dec 10, 2007 12:41 PM CST
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I agree
I don't think drafting a QB would hurt us in any way.


