If you're even a casual Kansas City Chiefs fan and you're asked who was the team's starting quarterback in its only Super Bowl win, you immediately, without even thinking, spit out "Len Dawson". If you lived in that era, or are an especially voracious young researcher, you may know that Mike Livingston was the Chiefs backup quarterback .

I doubt many of you know well the name of the third string quarterback during the Chiefs Super Bowl run - Jacky Lee.

Lee was drafted by the AFL's Houston Oilers in 1960 and backed up George Blanda for four seasons there. He then went to Denver for two seasons, back to Houston for another one and half and finally ended his career with two seasons in Kansas City. Lee is one of only twenty players who played in each of the ten season's the AFL existed.

Lee didn't just ride the bench while playing behind George Blanda in Houston. He played in every game in his first four AFL seasons, starting seven of them. A 1962 Sports Illustrated referred to Blanda and Lee as "the best set of quarterbacks in the AFL."

Here is a curious snippet from a 1966 SI issue:

Also missing is Quarterback Jacky Lee , who has returned to Houston after a two-year lend-lease deal.

A leased player? I'm probably showing my age here but I wasn't aware that players in the AFL were leased from team to team. Can you imagine if that was practiced today?

Jacky Lee is also quietly known for a monstrous game he had as an Oiler against the Boston Patriots in 1961. During the week leading up to the game, the Oilers' head coach Lou Rymkus was on the hot seat, prompting unrest in the ranks. Here's a snapshot:

For the Patriots game, Rymkus went with backup quarterback Jacky Lee. Ignoring a gathering fog that rolled in from the nearby Charles River, Lee completed 27 passes for an AFL-record 457 yards. Hennigan hauled in 13 of those passes to set another league mark. Still, Houston trailed 31-28 with five seconds left in the game. With the ball on the Boston 14-yard line, Rymkus sent Blanda in to attempt the game tying field goal.

In the Houston huddle, an Oiler player who had been benched by Rymkus offered advice. "Miss it George," he whispered to Blanda. "Teach the son of a bitch a lesson he'll never forget."

Incensed, Blanda grabbed the player by the jersey. "Don't ever say that to me again." Blanda's ensuing field goal was good and the Oilers left Boston with a tie.

Jacky Lee left his second tenure in Houston to spend part of the 1967 season and the full 1968 and 1969 seasons in Kansas City. He started two games in KC and played in nine of them.

My closing thought is...doesn't Jacky Lee look a lot like Peyton Manning?

By my count, the Kansas City Chiefs have 89 players currently on their roster, which will have to be trimmed to 80 players by the time they arrive in River Falls, WI, for training camp.

We have approximately fifteen positions on the team that have competition going into camp, so we'll be reviewing each position every day or every other day or so until the start of camp. Just like last summer.

First up today, the linebacking corp.

The Chiefs currently have ten linebackers on their squad, they'll start three and probably keep six total for back up and special teams. So, out of the ten, which six stay and which four go? Or, why would the Chiefs keep less/more than six?

Weston Dacus
Donnie Edwards
Nap Harris
Nate Harris
Derrick Johnson
EJ Kuale
Steve Octavien
LeRue Rumph
Pat Thomas
Demorrio Williams

Our three starters are going to come from these four guys - Edwards, Johnson, Williams and Nap Harris. So I'll include those four in my six. And for the other two, I'm going to give Nate Harris and Pat Thomas the nod simply because of their slight seniority.

I know we don't have much to go on as far as on the field experience and you know I don't get too excited over the fresh UDFA blood coming in.

Your thoughts on the Chiefs linebackers this summer?

Note: To you newbies, the community projections are a great place to jump in for the first time. Remember, be respectful and make sound arguments and you'll be rewarded with an intelligent and lively discussion.

Welcome SI.com readers! Make sure you distract yourself from the Monday morning dregs by checking out the rest of the site. Thanks for reading! -Chris

Even though the league has only been through a mini-camp or two, as well as OTAs, it's about time we checked on the illustrious bunch of NFL players that were let go by the Kansas City Chiefs this off-season. Because if you're getting cut from a dismal 4-12 football team, the only place you've got to go is up, right?

Your current opinion of these guys is going to be influenced by the team you cheer for as much as their play on the football field.

To Dolphin fans, Boomer Grigsby is a fun loving guy they wish the best of luck to. Kris Wilson is versatile to Eagles fans. Samie Parker is fast. And Steeler fans like the sound of Keyaron Fox on their team for the veteran-minimum salary. And so on and so on.

The expiration date on our patience for all of those guys ran out over the course of the last year or so, even though we shared those same sentiments about the players mentioned as their current team's fans do now. It's interesting to see the emotional attachments we often unknowingly have with these players we've never known on a personal level.

Alright, without anymore rambling, here we go.

Samie Parker

It appears that Bronco fans already have a pretty good grasp of Samie Parker's abilities, although far be it from me to wish the guy anything but luck. Except against the Chiefs. And actually everyone else.

FlaBroncoFan at Mile High Report said Parker sounded like a "poor man’s Ashley Lelie", which I have to say is quite fitting once it settled in on me.

By most accounts, through the off-season activities, Samie Parker is falling into that obscure sort of 3rd/4th receiver role. In other words, he may play a bit of time at wide out. And he'll definitely put in his share of special teams play. Or he won't make team. One of those things will happen.

The local media and the fans have naturally narrowed their Samie Parker news to discussing his great speed, which isn't really impressing anyone so much as giving them something to actually describe Samie Parker as a football player with. Because there isn't much to go on if you think about it.

Casey Wiegmann

Danni Boatwright's husband left Kansas City without much resistance. It was kind of funny. Here was this, at one time, excellent center on the best offensive line in football. And now, how many of you even remember when Wiegmann was signed by the Broncos? Was it in March, April or May? I'd have to go back and check myself.

Needless to say, Casey Wiegmann is making little news in Colorado, as a veteran back up center should be. He'll be looking at a back up role and nothing more.

Boomer Grigsby

You've got to hand it to Boomer Grigsby. Fans love him wherever he goes. I mean, you have to love a guy who says this:

"I see myself more as a corporate-America frontman shaking hands and kissing babies and building relationships with people. I feel like that's something I do best."

Take that quote and add in this one about him crashing a friends car, and you've got a pretty good picture of how the world views Boomer.

"I kind of gave a growl and smashed into it face-first. (The passenger) had this look of shock, and I was just ‘That was awesome!’ I got out and did the celebration-of-life dance."

Currently, it appears Boomer's spot on the roster is safe because his special teams ability. That, and the Dolphin's fullback situation isn't completely settled.

Ty Law

Pretty much all you need to know about Ty Law is that no team is really interested in him. The strongest rumors in the off-season about Law's possible landing spot were in Cleveland but nothing has officially transpired as of now. Contained within that Dayton Daily News link is the exact story template that will be used for the rest of the summer:

"Rumors around the league claim that Law is asking for a little too much in terms of money, and the Browns might be willing to add him to their roster if he lowers his price."

Replace Browns with Patriots or any other team and you've got a Ty Law story hot and ready.

Benny Sapp

Do you know much how news accumulates about a potential back up cornerback in the months of May and June? If you're the Chiefs other player that left for the Minnesota Vikings, you're going to get a ton of press. But a cornerback?

None. Zip.

So, that's all I have to say about Benny Sapp. He's still the camp fodder, on the cusp of the decent cornerback he was with the Chiefs.

Jared Allen

After catching bits and pieces of how Jared Allen is basically going to kick ass in Minnesota this season, it's still tough to swallow the fact that he is no longer leading the Chiefs defensive line. After a few months, I just say to myself, "Man, the guy was freakin' awesome!" That's the level of reasoning I've come down to - freakin' awesome. The off-season will do that to you.

I won't waste much time talking about Jared Allen. Check out the Daily Norseman for their coverage of Allen. To sum it up, they're still in love with the trade and they think he's freakin' awesome.

Kris Wilson

Did you know Kris Wilson is finally ready to be a full time tight end?

"My hat goes off to Tony, he's a great player. We had a good relationship. He pushed me and I pushed him. ... But my opportunities have been limited up to this point."

The Eagles are treating Wilson as a full time tight end, which means he should get more production. I don't know. Maybe he'll get more production. Never was a big fan of Bigfoot. Ah, I wish him well and hope Philly makes him happier than Kansas City did.

There is no news on Jimmy Wilkerson or Keyaron Fox. So check out Buc 'Em and Behind the Steel Curtain for what little coverage actually exists on these guys.

I know I left a few more guys off the list (Guess what the summer update is on Eddie Drummond?) but that means they're like Wilkerson and Fox, nothing of note has happened. Besides the loss of Jared Allen, which the Chiefs at the end of it didn't really have a hand in anymore, I have no longing feelings for any of those players we let go. The right decisions were made for the right reasons with these cuts.

Joe Delaney, Kansas City Chiefs running back from 1981 to 1982, died twenty-five years ago today while trying to save three boys from drowning in a Monroe, Louisiana, pond.

One boy survived. The two others and Joe Delaney did not.

His #37 has not been worn since his death. He was inducted into the Kansas City Chiefs Hall of Fame in 2004.

Read more about Joe Delaney here. The News Star's article on Joe is one of my favorites. Kent Babb of the Kansas City Star just wrote this great piece on Delaney as well.

RIP, Joe.

Note: Lone Star Ball points us to another great article about Joe from Sports Illustrated's Frank Deford.

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• You want Larry Johnson running angry again this year? Well he just broke up with his long time girlfriend.


• And we do need a nickname for Glenn Dorsey. We failed greatly last year when choosing a nickname for Brodie Croyle. For some reason, I was pretty set on B. Dazzle. Looking back on it, that name is freakin' terrible.


• Jared Allen, by the numbers.


• Wow. Looks like Wachovia banned AP and Arrowhead Addict from their work servers. This trick may work but I'm not sure. It's a worth a try. Go here to Google Translate, enter in www.arrowheadpride.com and translate it into English. It may work, may not. Good luck you Wachovia employees reading this from home and then going in to work.


• I'm not surprised at all that Mr. Wendler worked in a Star Trek mention in his latest article out of WPI.


• Got a kick out of this headline from The Falcoholic - Someone Is Actually Willing To Pay Us For Joe Horn.


• Another good read from Stampede Blue this time - David Terrell, Koren Robinson, Rod Gardner, Santana Moss, Freddie Mitchell or Reggie Wayne?.


• Blogging the Boys is running down the top ten Cowboy moments of 2007. You think we can give that a stab here? Do we have ten plays we'd like to remember from 2007? Seriously.


• That screen shot at the top is from Madden 2009, which ships in August. For me, it doesn't get any better than Joe Montana Sports Talk Football for Sega Genesis. The announcer on kick offs was the best - "It's up, it's high and it's good." I remember sitting there at age 11 thinking technology had a long, long way to go.

DJ's post from yesterday still has a lot of good discussion going on. SI.com is now featuring our front page stuff on its Chiefs section which means, if you write something great and I bump it up to the front page, your post will be sitting there with the KCChiefs.com content and the Kansas City Star content. For example, right now, DJ's headline is linked on the SI.com homepage at the bottom right under the Chiefs news.

Pretty cool, huh? All the more motivation for me and you to knock it out of the park with each post. Keep up the good work everyone.

This write up is courtesy of IISaiNtII, posted here for your reading pleasure. - Chris

Robert Lee Bell (aka Bobby Lee) played for the Kansas City Chiefs in their more illustrious time period from 1963-1974. He played linebacker and defensive end in those 11 years, and was an integral part of the Chiefs getting to Superbowl I, and winning Superbowl IV. As a professional football player of the Chiefs, Bell recorded 26 interceptions (6 returned for touchdowns), 40 sacks, and 8 touchdowns. Tackles weren’t recorded in his timeframe, but he made a lot of them.

Bell was known as a punishing hitter in the league, and it’s not surprising. His physique is that of an inverted triangle, broad shoulders sitting on a small waist. Bell consistently ran 4.5 40’ times at 6’4" 225lbs. To put that in perspective, the top linebacker of the 2008 draft Keith Rivers ran a 4.51 at 6’2" 241. If you were to ask anyone who knew Bell, they would tell he was an athlete, pure and simple. So let’s take a trip down memory lane and see just what made Bobby Bell what he is today, a Hall of Fame linebacker that arguably was the best at his position, ever.

Bell was born in Shelby, North Carolina in 1940 the son of a cotton worker who didn’t graduate high school. While growing up, Bell became interested in sports, and excelled at them. He played baseball, basketball, and football at his segregated school. Bell jokes that "football was my third-best sport." He started playing high-school football on a six-man team as the halfback, and during his junior year they started playing eleven-man football where he was the quarterback. He graduated as an all-state quarterback with such a reputation that North Carolina University’s head coach Tim Crawford segregated all-white team didn’t want to face him, so Crawford got the University of Minnesota to accept him, sight unseen.

It was in Minnesota where Bell was converted to an offensive lineman and people realized what an athlete he was. Bell is fabled to have the ability to be coached to play any position. Bell’s records prove that having been a half-back, quarterback, offensive lineman, defensive end, and left linebacker; receiving honors at almost every one of those positions.

His introduction to professional football was definitely a curious one, albeit largely beneficial to the Chiefs. The NFL and the AFL both had drafts, and Bell was drafted in the second round by the Minnesota Vikings and the seventh round by the Chiefs. The Chiefs organization was convinced Bell would sign with Minnesota, but drafted him anyway. When contract time came around, Bell was hounded by the Vikings organization, while the Chiefs talked to him only once, one-upping the Vikings contract by $500.

Bell started for the Chiefs as a defensive end, and when Hank Stram recognized his ability to play the game, they installed the first 3-4 defense in professional football to allow Bell to drop back into the linebacker position. He also served on special teams, and as the long snapper.

"The most important question was not where Bobby could play," Stram, who coached Bell throughout his pro career, remembered. "He could have helped us at a number of positions, even on offense. The real question was where we needed him most."

In 1983 Bell was elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. His list of accomplishments and honors include:

• All-state prep quarterback and All-American tackle at Minnesota


• All-AFL/AFC from 1965-1971


• All-time AFL choice in 1969


• Played in the last six AFL All-Star games


• Played in the first three Pro-Bowls

Bell currently spends his time telling his story as motivation for others to pursue their dreams. He has closed his restaurant in Kansas City to travel around, tell his story, and help others. Alongside this, he still attends the Hall of Fame dinners and induction ceremonies held in Canton, where he is still regarded as one of the best to ever play the game. For new Hall of Fame inductees, they aren’t able to talk when they’re inducted, only listen. One of my favorite quotes about Bell was in an article I found from Ray Little:

"There are two people in this [Hall of Fame] group who you are always going to hear first before you see them," the former Miami Dolphins all-pro guard says. "Deacon Jones and Bobby Bell."

Looking back at the roster of the 1970 Super Bowl Champion Kansas City Chiefs, as our 2008 team marches down that same path.

Frank Pitts played wide receiver for the Kansas City Chiefs from 1965 to 1970, earning a place in Chiefs' lore with an impressive performance in Super Bowl IV.

Against the Vikings on January 11, 1970, Pitts rushed the ball three times and rushed for three first downs, all on "end-around" plays. The end-around was not an often used play by the Chiefs that season, as Pitts noted.

"One time we ran it for no gain," Pitts said. "Then we tried it against the Jets and it gained five yards. But we look at different coverage in the AFL. Our cornerbacks play bump and run with the wide receivers. They stay up close and hit the receiver as he crosses the line, then go with him. So they are playing up close to the line. You try the 52 Go on them and they are right there. And another thing, the fact that the Viking defensive ends—Carl Eller and Jim Marshall—were pinching, gave me running room outside."

The "52 Go Reverse", as the Chiefs called it, helped the them gain crucial first downs on the biggest stage in professional football and earn the franchise its only Super Bowl victory. This fan, and every other Kansas City Chiefs fan, is dearly thankful to be able to say our team won Super Bowl IV.

Pitts finished Super Bowl IV with thirty-seven rushing yards and thirty-three yards receiving on three catches. A solid, necessary performance for a Chief Super Bowl victory.

Multiple nicknames must have been the rage back in the late 1960s. As we noted yesterday, Chiefs' punter Jerrel Wilson was nicknamed Thunderfoot and the Duck. Frank Pitts evened Wilson up with "The Riddler" and "Mr. Wonderful". Mr. Wonderful came from, uh ahem, his college days apparently.

"Mr. Wonderful was what they called him because he was such a wonderful, well-rounded, great athlete and person", noted a college alumn of Pitts'.

Sure, sure. That's what they all say. I was known as Mr. Bombastic in college myself. Wait, no I wasn't.

Pitts got the nickname "The Riddler" because he had an eerily similar laugh as the character of the same name on the then-popular Batman television show.

Over ten NFL and AFL seasons, Pitts amassed 175 receptions for 2897 yards and twenty-seven touchdowns. He played six seasons with the Chiefs, three with the Browns and one with the Falcons (Click here for a way too detailed description of Pitts' Browns helmet).

In 2005, Frank Pitts' home was burglarized and his two Super Bowl rings, one for Super Bowl I and the other for Super Bowl IV, were stolen.

Those rings aren't cheap either. The original Super Bowl IV ring is valued at $15,000 to $20,000 and the ring from Super Bowl I where is worth $8,000 to $9,000.

Pitts was the sergeant-at-arms for the Louisiana State Senate at the time and still held that same post in 2006 when he was presented with duplicate rings during half time of a Saints/49ers game.

When Pitts' colleagues in the Senate first heard about the burglary, the Senate President offered a $1,000 reward for the missing rings.

Another state senator decided to start a fundraising drive among the other senators to replace the rings. They raised just under $11,000 for the cost of the rings and made an old man happy when it came time to present the new rings.

Frank Pitts sits in a quiet spot in franchise history, never more than a second tier receiver throughout his career. Except in Super Bowl IV. And his name will live on forever because of it.

Considered one of the greatest punters to ever play the game, Jerrel Wilson played fifteen seasons with the Kansas City Chiefs, the most by any player for the franchise. He was a member of the Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl winning team in 1969.

Wilson was drafted by the Chiefs in 1963, during the tussles between the AFL and the NFL. A draftee could go with the upstart AFL or the well-established NFL, if he got drafted by both leagues. Considering the fact the Chiefs were in the "inferior" league, it's amazing how their 1963 draft went down.

The Chiefs first choice was DT Buck Buchanan. Their second first round pick was G Ed Budde, then they drafted T Walt Rock, DE Don Brumm, T Daryl Sanders, LB John Campbell and DB George Saimes before getting LB Bobby Bell in the seventh round.

Forget the success of the Chiefs' 2008 draft. There were two Hall of Fame players taken by the Chiefs in 1963.

Jerrel Wilson was an 11th round selection from Southern Mississippi.

Lamar Hunt said this in retrospect about the 1963 draft, "Sometimes it works out that way. There was a lot more ad-libbing in those olden days. There were a lot more mistakes, too."

Jerrel Wilson certainly wasn't a mistake. He racked up impressive numbers in his time with the Chiefs. Here are a few records:

• Played more seasons than any player in team history


• His 203 games played are the second most for any player in franchise history


• A franchise-record 1,014 punts during his career


• Highest average yardage in a career with 43.6


• He and one other player own the NFL record for most seasons leading the league in punting average with four (1965, 1968, 1972 and 1973)

He found at least part of his success lied in getting underneath his opponent's skin, as shown in this story related to us by Doug Kelly in 2005, just days after Wilson's death from cancer.

Sensing that Jerrel might’ve lost a few yards, rookie head coach Paul Wiggin brought in a number of contenders for Jerrel’s job in 1975.

Jerrel’s response? "Well, the way I got ‘em thinking," he later recalled, "was to ask ‘em if they were inhaling or exhaling when they hit the ball." The mental gymnastics soon meant all the candidates for his job were waived long before the regular season.

In addition to being a punter, Wilson's versatility (See, that phrase can work!) exemplified the type of athlete playing in the NFL at that time. He played center at Southern Miss and even played running back early in his career with the Kansas City Chiefs. He rushed twenty-two times in his career for fifty-three yards.

That ability to play three or four distinct and separate positions on a football field must have been difficult but much easier thirty or forty years ago than it would be today. Complicated playbooks, volatile team chemistry and the athletic ability of the opposing team are all barriers to the "Iron Men" of the past. (I have to admit getting the phrase "Iron Man" to describe playing both offense and defense from Necessary Roughness)

Kelly Bradham also told a story about Wilson shortly after his death. This is from the Daily Mail & Herald-Tribune out of Nevada, Missouri:

The nicest thing Wilson ever did for me, or my family I guess, came in 1971. He knew that my mother was an ardent Chiefs fan and after one game he reached into his locker and produced a box. "Here," he said, "is a birthday present for your mom." It was a football autographed by the entire team, which includes five Hall of Famers. The only Hall of Famer whose name is missing is that of Hank Stram. I still have that ball at home in the den and my mother, another cancer victim, cherished it all her life.

Vic Purvis, a teammate of Jerrel Wilson's at Southern Miss, took us back to the days of the Southern Miss. campus in the early 1960s with this story about the man nicknamed "Duck" and "Thunderfoot".

"I'll never forget when he showed up at school in a red, souped-up Corvette convertible," Purvis says. "Man, it was a pretty car, and most of us had never seen anything like it. I told him, 'Jerrel, man, I'd love to go for a ride in that car.'"

Wilson told him to get in. They pulled up at a stoplight on Highway 49, near the entrance to USM. Wilson revved the engine.

"You hear that?" he said to Purvis, as if something wasn't right.

Purvis said no.

Wilson revved the engine several more times, leaning forward as if to hear more closely. Then, Purvis leaned forward.

And then, Wilson floored it.

"I almost flew out of the car," Purvis says. "I look at Jerrel and he's laughing like a maniac. I look down at the speedometer and we're going 140 in no time. I said a prayer to myself, 'Lord, if you'll let me get out of this car in one piece, I'll never get back in it as long as I live."

140 MPH? Laughing like a maniac? Behavior like that gets you a nickname and a sit down in NYC with Roger Goodell (Chiefs players were waving shotguns on the picket line in 1987 for crying out loud). The NFL is a monstrous beast today but you have to admit, there is an unmistakable tug to the past when you hear stories like that.

Wilson's rambunctious ways were vaguely reinforced by an article with a rather dark tone that a KCChiefs.com columnist wrote a few weeks after Jerrel Wilson passed.

Today’s sports scene is often written up as a "loss of innocence"; a judgment which admittedly depends for its effect on how innocent you thought athletes were 40 years or so ago. All athletes are innocent to a degree, but too many of today’s players seem to act in a way that it will be their lot in life to continue to live in much the manner they have after their playing careers are over. The plain and awful truth is even if you are able to have what passes for a long career in sports you will likely spend the majority of your life looking for some other way to make living.

I have to admit to being uneducated about the life and times of Jerrel Wilson before this but I'd love to hear from anyone who may be able to fill us in on the above quote and it's meaning. I feel like the "real" Jerrel Wilson lies indescribable between pages of text and computer screens.

Do the Chiefs have one or two more Super Bowl rings? And to be fair, then Chiefs running back Mike Garnett was pretty good too.

Blair Kerkhoff of The Kansas City Star wrote about Sayers last night after the Hall of Fame running back accepted the Lamar Hunt Lifetime Achievement Award at the Kansas City Sports Commission’s annual banquet.

"I signed a four-year contract with the Bears for $25,000 a year," Sayers said. "I thought (Hunt) would give me something better. He offered $27,500.

"I thought, ‘New league, no, I can’t do that.’ You didn’t know it was going to be a good league, so I decided to go with the Bears."

We don't talk enough about the players of the '60s, '70s and even the dark '80s around here. Part of that is that those years are before my time as a fan and another part that blog readers are generally younger than someone who may have witnessed those early years with a keen eye.

And that sounds like the birth of an off season post series right there. We can chronicle the rosters of the early years of the franchise. Anyone else game? At the very least, we'll learn a ton and have topics to discuss. It's the desert of the off season news, in sports in general after the NBA Finals ended two nights ago. There, I just decided. We'll start next week. If you have a player you specifically want to write about, shoot me an e-mail.

35 days until training camp starts. 48 days until the first preseason down will be played. And 79 days until the Chiefs take the field against the New England Patriots.

And to get your Friday morning started off well, take a few minutes, relax and watch these clips of Gale Sayers.

I don't believe this was mentioned when I posted about Trevor Johnson being signed.

I was away for a few days last week and it appears during that time Luke Swan was placed on waivers by the Kansas City Chiefs (the same day they signed free agent Trevor Johnson).

I could find no announcement on the Chiefs' site, but Swan is indeed no longer listed on the team's roster.

No update on any potential future move on Swan's website, which still has him on the Chiefs.

Earth shattering news? Certainly not. But it's a reminder to keep an eye on the roster because not all roster moves are publicly announced, especially during the off season.

If you haven't paid close attention, and I mean close attention, to the Kansas City Chiefs roster moves in the off season you'll probably be surprised at the speed and frequency with which players are signed and subsequently dropped. It will get really crazy come August but with 92 players or so on the team, we'll see more players quietly drop off the roster in early summer than normal years.